Heretic Demiurge Guide

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Guide by: StarMealon

Introduction

The Demiurge portrait.pngDemiurge variation of Heretic portrait.pngHeretic provides a very similar experience to its base form, with most things remaining the same, just with bigger numbers from attributes and more power from sources. While its not the strongest ascension form available it shows a lot of potential, especially with some paramnestic upgrades. Over all this ascension form plays very cleanly, and is a great choice for people who want some classic heretic action at endgame.

Build Phases

As this class is very similar to its base form, only the build up phases have been included here please check the Heretic portrait.pngHeretic Guide for all other phases.

Incant Scry Phase

This phase is used to maximize casts of Spell Forge Empyreal Vassal.pngForge Empyreal Vassal, gain autoclicks, and gain ascension exp.

Greater Chimaera portrait.png
Greater Chimaera

#0#@119,2;24,2;9,2;32,2;115,2;104,2

Spell.png Spell Forge Empyreal Vassal.png

Spell.png Spell Summon Winged Night.png

Spell.png Spell Smite.png

Spell.png Spell Void Syphon.png

Spell.png Spell Chaotic Fervor.png

Spell.png Spell Spell Focus.png

Items
#7#@101;115;4;29;12;31;40;67;57;86;77;1023;209;304;415;414;97;2002;3007

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Frosty Ring.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Casque Of Learning.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Seclusion Shell.png

ItemSlotUnique.png

Item Grasp Of The Grave.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Cold-blooded Ring.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Hollow Eye Pendant.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item The Great Journey.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Artificer's Shoulderpads.png

ItemSlotUnique.png

Item Collar Of Obedience.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Concealing Shroud.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Perfected Kata Bracers.png

ItemSlotUnique.png

Item Shadow-Scryer's Crystal Ball.png

ItemSlotUnique.png

Item Habitstone.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Spell Shards Fractalization.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Charged Fin-Wing.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Beholding Eye.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Empowering Legguards.png

ItemSlotUnique.png

Item Warp Basilisk.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Eerie Turquoise Phylactery.png

* Once Chimaera maxes out your sources you should replace Item Collar Of Obedience.pngCollar Of Obedience with Item Endless Pouches.pngEndless Pouches for more CEXP.
* Once Chimaera maxes out your sources you should also replace Greater Chimaera portrait.pngGreater Chimaera with Ley Keeper portrait.pngLey Keeper.
* While not strictly necessary some shard income enchant items have been included for convenience of high spell meme levels.
* Item Cold-blooded Ring.pngCold-blooded Ring is worth enchanting


Summon Scry Phase

This phase is used to maximize casts of Spell Conjure Void Elemental.pngConjure Void Elemental and Spell Conjure Primal Elemental.pngConjure Primal Elemental, gain ascension exp, and gain a minor amount of autoclicks.

Ley Keeper portrait.png
Ley Keeper

#6#@85,2;25,2;9,2;32,2;115,2;104,2

Spell.png Spell Conjure Void Elemental.png

Spell.png Spell Conjure Primal Elemental.png

Spell.png Spell Smite.png

Spell.png Spell Void Syphon.png

Spell.png Spell Chaotic Fervor.png

Spell.png Spell Spell Focus.png

Items
#6#@115;113;4;29;12;31;40;66;57;86;74;1023;212;304;414;415;97;2003;3008

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Cold-blooded Ring.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Casque Of Learning.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Seclusion Shell.png

ItemSlotUnique.png

Item Grasp Of The Grave.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Resonator Ring.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Hollow Eye Pendant.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item The Great Journey.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Artificer's Shoulderpads.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Endless Pouches.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Concealing Shroud.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Nomadic Wrists.png

ItemSlotUnique.png

Item Shadow-Scryer's Crystal Ball.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Recaller Stone.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Spell Shards Fractalization.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Beholding Eye.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Charged Fin-Wing.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Empowering Legguards.png

ItemSlotUnique.png

Item The Rubedo Engine.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Hectic Lime.png

* Item Cold-blooded Ring.pngCold-blooded Ring is worth enchanting, and Item Recaller Stone.pngRecaller Stone is worth enchanting if you have completed the ingot shortage triumph.


Smite Phase

This phase is done to maximize preformed hallowed clicks(pHC).

Mechanos Apexis portrait.png
Mechanos Apexis

#1#@58,2;90,2;9,2;32,2;115,2;35,2

Spell.png Spell Voracious Plague.png

Spell.png Spell Primal Power.png

Spell.png Spell Smite.png

Spell.png Spell Void Syphon.png

Spell.png Spell Chaotic Fervor.png

Spell.png Spell Reality Warping.png

Items
#1#@113;104;0;23;14;35;41;60;58;85;76;1012;210;300;415;405;92;2001;3003

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Resonator Ring.png

ItemSlotUnique.png

Item The Artificer's Crown.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Empowering Chestguard.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item The Clockcarers.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Chronoboost Ring.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Searing Gaze.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Boots Of Harsh Trials.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Stabilizing Pauldrons.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Empowering Waistguard.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Timeshroud.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Bite Sleeves.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Spellstealer.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Arcane Accelerator.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Destabilized Evocations.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Charged Fin-Wing.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Arcane Engine.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Folds of Magma.png

ItemSlotUnique.png

Item Zenith, The Champion's Steed.png

ItemSlotLegendary.png

Item Smooth Amber Phylactery.png


Ratio Math

TLDR: you can just do 15% on Summon Scry and 42.5% on Incant scry and Smite and be close enough

We will only consider autoclicks from incant scry phase because:
1. It will always be longer than summon scry
2. Spell Summon Winged Night.pngSummon Winged Night does many more autoclicks than Spell Conjure Void Elemental.pngConjure Void Elemental and Spell Conjure Primal Elemental.pngConjure Primal Elemental combined.
3. Incant scry is able to run Item Eerie Turquoise Phylactery.pngEerie Turquoise Phylactery, further widening the gap when combined with Geode portrait.pngGeode.

Scalings:
Spell Forge Empyreal Vassal.pngForge Empyreal Vassal: 1.25*1.57(total pap) = 1.96
Autoclicks: 1.25 from Spell Forsaken Glory.pngForsaken Glory
pHCs: 0.5 from Spell Voidforged Armaments.pngVoidforged Armaments + 2.5*1.339 from Voidlight Amalgam portrait.pngVLA = 3.85
Spell Conjure Void Elemental.pngCVE casts = 1
Incant scry = 1.96 + 1.25 = 3.21, Smite = 3.85, Summon scry = 1
Incant scry = 3.21/(3.21+3.85+1) = 39.85%, Smite = 3.85/(3.21+3.85+1) = 47.74%, Summon scry = 1/(3.21+3.85+1) = 12.41%
Other scalings such as eHCs are not included as they are done in all phases. It is worth noting that scry phases get more spell casts, smite phase gains more VEs, and summon scry phase gives you a fraction of your autoclicks, however the differences mostly cancel each other out, and what is left is small enough to not shift the ratio much.

Other Changes

Incantation

With the addition of Spell Primal Power.pngPrimal Power and Spell Voracious Plague.pngVoracious Plague to build up the total incant scaling of heretic has gone up by 0.85. This generally means you want the incant source meme to possibly be 1 level higher than base heretic, along with leveling the Altermutus and Cantopotensa gods a bit extra as well.

Char Exp

The attribute bonus Demiurge portrait.pngDemiurge provides is quite substantial, and for all intent and purposes you gain an additional ^1 profits from char level now(there is some DR, but its so slow we can just assume we are linear). This makes the Procreogenus and Peritocapia gods slightly more attractive than they already were, though keep in mind linear char lvl scaling is still log1.09(char exp) scaling, so its not much of an improvement. Because of this the char exp source meme is NOT worth it.

Paramnestics

Imaginary Talents

The additional power to attributes allows Imaginary Talents to be worth it even with a higher Unnatural Talents level. Below is a table for some ascension levels, and at what unnatural talents level imaginary talents stops being worth it, assuming no increase to ascension power.

Ascension level Unnatural Talents lvl(imaginary <x2 profit)
0(base heretic) 12
10 14
20 15
30 16
40 18
50 19
60 20
64 21(imaginary always worth it)

If you have legacy 122 then the break point for imaginary always being worth it decreases down to ascension level 63.


Spell Memes

Very similar to base Heretic. For use with Merp's spell meme sheet. Notable additions/changes are: Spell Forge Empyreal Vassal.pngFEV, and Spell Conjure Primal Elemental.pngCPE being kind of worth including.

Spell Efficiency Casts scaling Autoclick amt scaling Other
Spell Forsaken Glory.pngForsaken Glory 1.268 0 0
Spell Void Prison.pngVoid Prison 1.26 0 0
Spell Gem Resonance.pngGem Resonance 1.23 0 0
Spell Voidforged Armaments.pngVoidforged Armaments 1.22 0 0
Spell Battle Trance.pngBattle Trance 1.2 0 0
Spell Smite.pngSmite 1.157 3.6 0 Cast rate
Spell Conjure Void Elemental.pngConjure Void Elemental 1.186 0 0 Autoclick
Spell Chaotic Fervor.pngChaotic Fervor 1 2.66 0 Cast rate
Spell Forge Empyreal Vassal.pngForge Empyreal Vassal 1 1.84 0 Cast amt
Spell Void Syphon.pngVoid Syphon 1.0082 1.183 0 Cast rate
Spell Void Lure.pngVoid Lure 1.011 0 0
Spell Voidbolt.pngVoidbolt 1.0084 0 0
Spell Summon Winged Night.pngSummon Winged Night 1 0 1.413
Spell Conjure Primal Elemental.pngConjure Primal Elemental 1.00017 0 1.413

Be sure to fill out the summon table in the top right of the sheet too, which adds CPE compared to base Heretic:

Spell Base clicks % of buildup
Spell Summon Winged Night.pngSummon Winged Night 100* 90%
Spell Conjure Primal Elemental.pngConjure Primal Elemental 15 10%

*SWN autoclick number actually matters a little bit now, because of CPE being part of buildup.

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